Great Minds Think Alike ?

I was talking to a friend on the telephone this morning and the subject of the arms and badge of the new Cheshire East Council cropped up. I have always maintained that the simple design of a garb encircled by an eastern crown for the badge was inspirational and I was saying so to my friend this morning. I was also musing that when I first saw the design I thought that it was somewhat familiar but couldn't put my finger on it when he reminded me about the very early logo I used for the Cheshire Heraldry web site way back in 2004. The design I used back then had totally slipped my mind (it's an age thing!) but, having been reminded, I checked (the image can still be seen by using the internet's way back machine provided by web.archive.org - click here to see it) and now remember choosing a simple garb encircled by a crest coronet and choosing to break the tincture rules and thus claim it as a logo and avoid it being thought of as an unauthorised badge. If my reader will allow, I will indulge my pride (just this once) by proclaiming that not only do great minds think alike but perhaps on this occasion at least I can also claim to have got there first.  

Cholmondeley Hatchment

In the previous post to this I reported the completion of the image for Cholmondeley of Cholmondeley in the visitations of 1663 and by happy coincidence almost at the same time I received permission from David Truzzi-Franconi to use the image of a Cholmondeley hatchment he completed some time ago. I was going to post the image David provided but then I realised that I actually had a photograph of the hatchment is situ at Cholmondeley Castle so decided to use that one instead.



The hatchment illustrates the arms of Hugh Cholmondeley, 6th Marquess of Cholmondeley and his wife, Lavinia Margaret Leslie. The dexter portion, with the arms of Cholmondeley, is shown with a black background to indicate that the 6th Marquess is deceased.

David, who is well known to the English Officers of Arms,  is an experienced and accomplished artist.

His website can be viewed at http://www.heraldryandcalligraphy.com and http://www.truzzi.co.uk

Latest update: Cholmondeley of Cholmondeley

Cholmondeley of Cholmondeley  Arms: Quarterly
1. Gules, in chief two esquires helmets Argent and in base a garb Or.
2. Lozengy Argent and Azure, a bend Gules, fretty Or. [Cheney]
3. Argent three capons Sable. [Capenhurst]
4. Quarterly Argent and Gules, in the second and third quarters a fret Or. [Dutton]
5. Argent, on a bend Gules three escarbuncles Or. [Thornton]
6. Vert a cross engrailed Ermine. [Kingsley]
7. Or, a saltire Sable. [Helsby]
8. Azure, on a chevron between three garbs Or, a crescent for cadency. [Hatton]
9. Azure, an estoile within the horns of a crescent Argent. [Minshull]

Crest: A demi-griffin segreant Sable, holding in the claws a helmet as in the arms Argent.                                       

Hugh, born 1661, created baron Cholmondeley of Witch Malbank 10th April 1689.

Not Heraldry but definitely genealogy :-)

This post is a little bit self indulgent but I make no apologies for announcing the fact that I have just become a grandfather. My daughter, Phoebe, has given us a gorgeous granddaughter. A very warm welcome to Matilda Rose who, at 7lb 11oz, was safely delivered at 11:08 p.m. on Tuesday 7th December 2010.

Whoopee!

Orle v's escutcheon voided

I have written before about the difference between an orle and an escutcheon voided and I maintain that there is a difference, perhaps not immediately apparent when shown on a single (escutcheon shaped) shield but obvious when shown on a quarterd shield or banner. The example I use is that of Winnington whose entry in the Visitations varies between the two. In the Visitations of 1513/80 and those of 1613 it is noted as an orle. However, it is apparent from contemporary usage that the family always depicted it as an escutcheon voided and this is best illustrated by reference to a hatchment in the possession of Marple Hall School showing the arms of Winnington of Offerton as recorded in the Visitations.

Winnington of Offerton
Arms: Quarterly -
1 & 4 Argent, an orle within eight martlets in orle Sable, a mullet for difference.
2 & 3 Gules, on a chief Or three annulets of the field [Offerton]

Crest: An alembic, or still , Argent charged with a mullet for difference. 



The eagle eyed amongst my readers may have spotted an interloper on the Winnington quartering. It is my belief that the painter executing the hatchment was copying some other work and mistook the mullet indicating cadency for another martlet.

Imitation or theft?

I was searching Google this morning for references to the Malbank barons of Nantwich and decided to flip to the image view. Up popped a number of images which I remembered making for the "King's Vale Royal" section of the Cheshire Heraldry web site some years ago; curiosity got the better of me and I clicked on one of the images expecting it to lead me to the aforementioned part of my web site ... unfortunately it did not. I was taken to someone else's web site where every image used to illustrate an article entitled "They came they saw they conquered" has been stolen from Cheshire Heraldry and used without shame, permission or acknowledgement. 

This is not the first time it has happened and I dare say that I'm not the only one it has happened to. Why is it that people think the Internet is not subject to copyright laws? It takes me hours to make an image and it is infuriating to see others use it without even asking. I shall write to the offender asking him to remove the images to give him a chance to put his house in order before I take legal action.

A section of the offending web site:

Brereton of Ashley

Back in September of last year I wrote about the 12th quarter in the arms of Brereton of Ashley as recorded in the Visitations of 1613; it is recorded as being Gules, a lion rampant Sable guttee de l'armes but is marked as being "dubious". In the earlier Visitations of 1533 to 1580 this quarter, which remains unidentified, is recorded as Gules, a lion rampant Ermines. I have since discovered that the arms of Brereton of Ashley are also noted in another MS; Harl.1170 and are in fact illustrated.



The quarterings are: 

1 Argent, two bars Sable [Brereton]2 Argent, an inescutcheon within a double tressure counter flory Gules [Scotland]3 Or, three piles in point Gules [Scot Earl of Chester]4Quarterly; 1 & 4 (Kevelioc and Lupus) 2 & 3 Azure, three garbs Or (Kevelioc Earl of Chester)5 Gules, three pheons Argent [pro Egerton inherited from Belward, Baron of Malpas]6 Azure, three garbs Or [Kevelioc Earl of Chester]7 Azure, a wolf’s head erased Argent (in this image he appears to have a ring in his mouth!) [Lupus Earl of Chester]8 Argent a cross flory Azure [pro Egerton inherited from Malpas, baron of Malpas]
9 Argent, a lion rampant Gules between three (sometimes six … here ten) pheons Sable [Egerton of Egerton]
10 Or, two ravens in pale Sable [Corbet of Leighton]
11 Ermine, five chevronels Gules, on a canton of the second a lion passant Or [Orreby]12 Gules, two lions pasant Argent, a label of three points Or [Strange of Dalby]13 Quarterly Argent and Gules, over all on a bend Sable three mullets of the first [Ashley]
14 Gules, three cross-crosslets fitchee Or, a chief of the second charged with a crescent for difference [Arderne]15 Argent, on a bend engrailed Sable, an annulet Or [Radcliffe]16 Argent, a griffin segreant Gules [Chaderton]17 Quarterly, Argent and Gules, a bend Azure [Timperley]

18 Gules, a lion rampant Argent [unidentified]

It is believed that there is no real evidence to substantiate the descent bringing in the quarterings of the earls of Chester line.